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surrounding my cycling career. i will conclude my chairmanship. but he refuses to say sorry. there can surely be one person left in the world who thinks lance armstrong is innocent. and that's lance armstrong. the game is up, mr. armstrong, the race is over. you cheated us all. shame on you. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts now. a lot to talk about tonight. we begin keeping them honest with mitt romney's record on women. we begin with mitt romney something that has turned silly but might have serious consequences for the campaign. because it involved a key voting bloc, which is women. you are probably familiar right now with the phrase of binders full of women. it is a full-fledged internet phenomenon. 140 million hits, including on
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goog. binders full of women is one of the hot twitter hash tags now. loaded with photos, binders of photos, hillary clinton, you name it. when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro, it seems. mr. romney pointed to his hiring process when he first became governor of massachusetts. listen. >> i said, gosh, can't we find some women that are also qualified? and so we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's group and said can you help us find folks? they brought us binders full of women. >> that's somewhat silly phrase. here's the totally serious context and why it's important to break it down. women may decide this election as you probably know. president obama's formerly big
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advantage appears to be gone. the polling shows a bigger gender gap in president obama's favor. whatever size of it actually is, mitt romney can successful narrow that gap, that would make the president's road to re-election very, very difficult, nearly impossible. campaigning in virginia, romney said the president has failed america's women. he was touting his own record claiming he went to a number of women's groups and said can you help us find folks? keeping them honest, that's not quite true. there's a problem with the time line. the group in question, the massachusetts govern appointments project, mass gap, actually approached him. they put out a statement today saying, i quote, prior to the 2002 gubernatorial election, mass gap approached the campaigns of candidates shannon o'brien and mitt romney. they went to him and his democratic opponent as well, not as he claimed the other way around. in addition, mr. romney last night credited the recruiting effort that followed with helping him bring so many
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qualified women on board. and today the campaign put out this from the former lieutenant governor kerry healey. as we took office, our administration actively sought to recruit the best and brightest women the commonwealth had to offer. and governor romney wasn't just checking a box. mass gap said female recruitment dropped off, when to 27.6%. running mate paul ryan rose to his boss' defense saying he has an exceptional record of hiring women in very prominent positions in his administration and that's the point he was making last night. as for the obama campaign, they certainly see an opening. >> you heard the debate last night. when governor romney's asked a direct question about equal pay. he started talking about binders.
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oh, the idea that he had to go and ask where qualified women was, he just should have come to my house. he didn't need a binder. >> so from debate claim to internet sensation to political free for all, before checking into the campaign trail, let's dig deeper on how the romney record stacks up to the facts. we have a 20-year veteran of boston journalism with us. good to have you on the program. you heard the governor's answer. did that square with your memory of what happened? >> it doesn't. i immediately, when i heard it, reached out to some of the women who i know who had been part of that effort which they did initially in 2002 it was a coalition of some 40 women's groups in the state formed that mass gap project you were just describing. they did it in 2002 and then again in subsequent gubernatorial elections. and like you said, they initiated the project. they worked at it for a number of months. you know, reaching out to gather
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together and screen possible appointees from women all over the state. and to put that together to present to bhofr ended up being in the corner office. so the idea that he initiated it after beginning the process of filling his cabinet, just didn't square. i reached out and double checked that with the people who were involved. they agreed and saw the mass gap confirmed that again today. >> is it possible it could have been an honest mistake, is there any way governor romney might not have realized how the list reached him? >> i don't think that's really possible because during the campaign, it was actually something that his campaign and he personally signed a letter of commitment to the project, it was after the primaries, the project reached out to both him and the democratic nominee, shannon o'brien. she signed it first and then he agreed to sign it, pledging to
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try to use this material that mass gap was putting together and to try to move towards parody in the high level appointments. there's also a candidate forum that he participated in that was part of this whole project where they asked specifically about this project and how he was planning to fulfill it and so forth. you know, it sounded to me more like he was describing the way that he found a number of his female appointees. but then decided to take the extra step of taking credit for initiating it. when in fact it was initiated by some other people. >> okay. binders aside, did he have a good record on appointing women? my understanding of the whole mass gap project was to propel women into higher offices down the road. did it have that affect? >> it didn't. it's interesting you say that. there are different interpretations of his record with women. you can point to a number of high-level appointments he did
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make, particularly early on. as you pointed out over the course of his four-year governorship, he actually declined from in terms of the number, the percentage of women in those offices, compared to prior to his coming in even. it was actually lower. there were also some other issues aside from just those appointees. there were issues raised about his judicial appointees. 17 of the first 19 judge appointments were men. after some unfavorable press about that, he began appointing more women. and so it really depends -- it depends on how you want to take the record. certainly some of the most important positions, the people in charge of budget and transportation and business development, the ones that he was most concerned about, mostly went to men and mostly to men who he had dealt with in his business career. one of the interesting things, i'm not the only one who mentioned this, his claim seems to take for granted that he
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didn't know any qualified women after running businesses and consulting for businesses for 25 years, which in and of itself is a little startling. >> david bernstein, appreciate you being on with your reporting your recollections. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. joining us for more on how the two campaigns are handling there, jim akoss to and jessica yellin. is the campaign concerned about the binder controversy? >> well, anderson, i think it's worth noting what mitt romney did and did not talk about at his first post-debate speech earlier today in chesapeake, virginia. he did not talk about that dustup about himself and the president over what happened in benghazi. he did make reference to women voters in his speech in chesapeake. he says the president has failed america's women. that appeared to be a pretty blatant appeal to female voters in the audience there and all across the country. and anderson, late in the day,
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he sent out a tweet of a web video featuring members of his cabinet back in massachusetts when he was governor there that were women. one of the women on that cabinet said, in that web video, that mitt romney understands working women. and keep in mind that he made this response. he made these remarks about binders full of women in response to a question about the lilly ledbetter act, which is supposed to be an act for make to sue over pay equity issues. he did not address that question. in going into those remarks about how he was trying to staff his office in massachusetts. he didn't mention the fact that his lieutenant governor was a woman. i think it was a sign the president had gotten under his skin and he was forced into a situation where he had an unforced error there. >> the obama campaign believes they can get mileage out of romney's remarks. >> yes, they've been working it on trail all day already.
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it was unto rt gnat for governor romney. it raises this question, can he relate to working women? it made it sound almost like working women are male order product you can order out of colored binders. you know, there are so many directions you can go. what are the tabs that binder for each of the women? the problem for governor romney, it's two-fold, one, if he's trying to show, and he is, that he can relate and understand the frustrations working women go through, this does not suggest the sense of outsiderness many women feel when they work for largely male environments. and two, it raises the question, this was a man who at the time he became governor had been a top executive in the business world for multiple decades. and didn't he already know qualified women, that he could call upon? why did he need to go outside and get a binder full of women to find some? as jim acosta pointed out, he did know women and he had some on his staff.
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he did himself a disservice with the way he phrased this. the obama team is getting mileage out of it. >> is he talking at all about the women the role women had at bain capital? it is a male-dominated profession, particularly back then. has he talked at all about that? in the debate he was focusing solely on his time as governor. >> actually, no, anderson. that's interesting you ask that question. we haven't heard mitt romney talk about that on campaign trail, how women might have fared at his former investment firm. keep in mind that the chief of staff for mitt romney when he was governor in massachusetts was beth meyers who went on to run his 2008 campaign and went on here in 2012 to lead his vice presidential search. this is a candidate who has had women in high-level positions. and it's worth noting in just the last few minutes here, anderson, he's had one of those top surrogates, barbara comstock on the stage behind me and now the wife of george allen, who's
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running for the senate here, is on the stage. >> the president had a big advantage with women voters all year. has there been concern within the campaign that governor romney was making progress on that front? we're talking about before this debate. >> they wouldn't openly talk about that and contested some of the polls that showed governor romney closing the gap. you have to look at the topics the president was bringing up athe that debate, anderson, to know that this is the voter group that the president is focused on and that he knew that this was the greatest area where he was hemorrhaging support and his only growth opportunity. this -- it is the women's vote that the president could win or lose on. and so if the president is going to be president for another four years, it will be because women make the difference. so he is going to hit on contraception and his claims that the governor has flip-flopped on it, he's going to hit on pay equity issue and he'll continue to talk about this binders controversy and the
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larger issue that he claims governor romney isn't a natural advocate in his bones for women in the workplace. this is the theme he'll carry to election day, anderson. >> jessica yellin, jim acosta, thanks. follow me on twitt twitter @andersoncooper. late word of a terror suspect in custody allegedly with ties to al qaeda. he was caught in what he believed to be the act of setting off a massive bomb in new york. more on that, tonight. 0ñ@ñfñ
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breaking news to tell you about. a man with ties to al qaeda has been arrested in a federal sting operation for allegedly planning a terror attack on the federal reserve bank of new york. that is according to federal authorities that say the 21-year-old suspect, a bangladeshi national tried to detonate what he thought was a bomb. the suspect faces charges of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction and attempting
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to provide material support to al qaeda. on now to the act of terror that killed four americans in benghazi, libya. going into last night's debate, the administration's handling of it or mishandling as the case may be seemed like an opportunity for mitt romney. here's how it played out last night. >> the day after the attack, governor, i stood in the rose garden and told the american people and the would rl that we are going to find out exactly what happened, that this was an act of terror and i also said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime. >> that's when mr. romney pounced, latching on to mr. obama's rose garden statement the day after the attack. we're playing it at length so you can see the statement in context. >> i think it's interesting, the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack he went in the rose garden and said that this was an act of terror. >> that's what i said. >> you said in the rose garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror?
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it was not a spontaneous demonstration. is that what you're saying. >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record. because it took the president 14 days before he called at tack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did in fact, sir. >> can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. it did as well take -- it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. you're correct about that. >> the administration indicated that this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction. >> it did. >> too took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. >> the bigger question is what the president meant when he said it that morning of september 12th. was he referring to the terror attack the night before in benghazi as he was in the final seven paragraphs his remarks or was he speaking of what he
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mentioned in the paragraphs that follow, the 9/11 al qaeda attacks on new york and washington? the next day he used a similar phrase. four days after that -- for days after that no one in the the administration used the phrase terrorist attack to describe what many experts believed was a terrorist attack. >> on "the view" joy behar asked him, he said, we're still doing an investigation. >> we mourned with the families who were lost on that day. i visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sack fis in iraq and afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of arlington cemetery and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at walter reed. and then last night we learned the news of this attack in benghazi.
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as americans let us never, ever forget our freedom is only sustain because there are people who are willing to fight for it, stand up for it and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. our country's only as strong as the character of our people. and the service of those both civilian and military, who represent us around the globe. no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation. today we mourn for more americans who represent the very best of the united states of america. we will not waiver in our commitment to see justice is done for this terrible act. make no mistake, justice will be done. >> so that's what the president said in the rose garden. a week later administration official told a senate hearing it was terrorism but a week later the president still wasn't
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saying that when directly asked. back to his words in the rose garden what they meant and because speech writers always come in handy when you have a speech it analyze, i spoke earlier with one of the all-time best, david frum, he's a contributor to cnn and the daily beast. joining us tonight is freed zakaria. >> this was a highly conditional statement in the rose garden. what the president said was no act of terror. you write that when you want to say i'm not characterizing these acts. this is a general state. it could have been delivered 24 hours before the attacks as well as 24 hours after. it was a way of putting something on the record without fully endorsing it. a mild lean forward. the president -- you can almost imagine that somebody wrote this act of terror and that was
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scratched out in the staffing process and replaced with the less committed formula no act of terror. >> fareed, do you have any president to believe the president was not referring to benghazi when he said act of terror in those remarks. >> there is an artful interpretation that david has. this is a red herring. even if a mob spontaneously gather because of the video and decided to charge the u.s. embassy and killed the u.s. ambassador, two navy s.e.a.l.s and another american, that's still an act of terrorism. terrorism is the taking of lives of, particularly, civilians in a political act that is designed to have some kind of political impact. it strikes me as an act of terrorism, whether it was a mob or al qaeda. was it an act of terrorism perpetrated about i a terrorist organization affiliated with al qaeda with planning and so
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forth? that we don't know. i don't really see how it wasn't an act of terrorism no matter who did it. >> do you think he missed an opportunity, as opposed to the nearly 14 days or whatever it was they were still unclear about what happened? >> and continuing. governor romney had good cards. he overplayed them. the president was able to push him back and push him back pretty hard and he suffered for it. we're still not at the point where the administration, any of us exactly know, nor are we at the point where the administration has given up trying to sell a false narrative. no one is saying this is treason or impeachable offense but there are four people dead and it's serious. the question that is hanging in the air here, was the innia war a good idea? president obama has two wars, afghanistan which he escalated, but libya which he chose.
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the question is what is the outcome in libya? is it a success or not? >> you think it hinges or whether or not -- >> no, of course not. >> that would have the chilling effect on any further american interventions, political or military you say one gang somewhere could fire a few laters launch an attack on one of our consulates. that means the whole thing is a bad idea. the green zone in iraq was shelled routinely. >> no one is thinking about libya. in the month before the election to talk openly about what happened to ambassador stevens, reminding people there is still no government in libya, still no security in libya. al qaeda entities, al qaeda affiliated entities are moving freely in libya. they are the most armed people in the country. it raises the question, what did it war accomplish? i think most people, most people view a show like this, a very new savvy audience don't know there isn't a government in
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libya. all this time later. >> that's not entirely true, david. there were elections, muslim fundamentalists actually lost badly, a moderate liberal pro-western government was elected. gadhafi created a sham state. yes, the institutions of government are not very strong in libya but to characterize it as there being no government, this is actually a very important election that took place and many conservatives -- precisely because it brought the power to liberals. >> what do we get? that's the debate the administration want to not have this month. that is the debate driven home by the events in benghazi. that is why -- and that is why the administration is so keen to make this a story about a spontaneous reaction to a movie made in america. nothing to do with us and it has nothing -- nothing to do with our decisions and our policies. maybe those were good decisions. maybe all things considered we chose the lesser evils.
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the question i think both fareed and i would think about a lot. >> i want to ask you about this special we have on. both energies talking about energy policy, gas prices. you have a show on sunday called global lessons, the gps road map for powering america. it's a complicated topic but ultimately high gas prices hurt the president, right? >> high gas prices hurt the president. high gas prices in some part because the economy is recovering, more importantly because there's growth all over the world, because the chinese want more gas, the indians want more gas. what i was struck by both of them agreed we want energy independence and they were telling you how they were going to achieve it. it's mostly happening for reasons that have little to do with the president. it's happening because of shale gas which is extraordinary technology that is revolutionizing our ability to extract them. it is controversial and there's a need to study it and regulate it. but the simple fact is that the united states is likely within the -- by the end of this decade
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to export more petroleum and liquid natural gas than saudi arabia or russia. we'll become the world's great exporter of liquid hydrocarbons. >> that's incredible. look forward to that on sunday. thank you, fareed, david frum, thanks again. what did their body language say last night? which candidate used the stage most ek fively? our experts weigh in, ahead.
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tense exchanges in each other's space. we decode the body language. our experts weigh in on the nonverbal fireworks of round two.
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up close during last night's town hall style debate, president obama and governor romney were free to move around the stage, often ended up inches apart, confronting, correcting each other. at times it look like a boxing ring. voters saw a much more animated president obama, obviously, a sharp contrast to his first
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debate against governor romney. the body language is being parsed as closely as their words. earlier i talked with brett o'donnell, a former debate strategist for mitt romney and janine, driver. one of the exchanges you point out is the exchange over oil production. >> yes. >> let's take a look at that and talk about what we see. >> that's the strategy you need. >> what do you see going on? >> right here. watch. >> that's not what you've done. >> we're doing chopping right here. this chop is pointing towards the president. we get into this debate here. look at this choing. they're looking at each other. now they're in each other's space. this is interesting. when the president stands back up, this is man to man and it's interesting although they're having a debate, anderson, they're not coming across as contentious. there's still the professionalism with both of them here. >> a lot of times the president
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didn't want to seen to be sitting down when governor romney was addressing him and talking to him. >> we saw the president engage candy quite a bit. he would walk towards candy. we have proximics. >> what are exchanges you point to, one of them was over drilling on public lands. you say it got away if mitt romney. how so? >> well, i think that instead of just making his point, asking the question one time and leaving it, he kept asking it repeatedly. he did that with the pension exchange as well. >> asking the president? >> that's right. repeatedly. it seemed to be that he went a little too far. he looked defensive. he looked overly aggressive with the president. and i think that it could have been ms. perceived. >> it's better for him to have said one time has drilling gone down or up and moved on. >> make your argument, move on. >> there was back and forth about libya as well. i want to show that exchange.
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>> it took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. so suggest, am i incorrect in that regard, on sunday, your secretary -- >> the president is like, listen, i want to address this issue. we saw this palm down gesture. this is not welcoming. this has to be handled. when police come in and do a raid, they say on the ground, on the ground! we see that with mitt romney when he's asked later about how is he similar to g.w. and different from g.w.? mitt romney says that's a great question, palm down. this is saying i don't like your question, now we have a stalling technique. that's a great question, i appreciate it. >> the most decisive blow the president got against mitt romney? >> the president looked presidential. it was a moment where governor romney appeared to be caught on a fact, didn't exactly know what line of argument to pursue. and the president did this sort of righteous indignation moment
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where he said i'm offended that you would accuse me or my team of playing politics with this issue. and that moment seemed to advantage the president over governor romney. >> up to that point i felt it was even with regard to body language, with regard to verbal. at that point with libya, when the president was intense, i felt like the president stepped out of the role of i'm a man running for the president and stepped into the role as i am the current president. his gestures were really intense. it literally was i'm not using this as a ploy to become a president. >> was it a mistake for romney to focus on the rose garden speech? it's an arguable point. >> facts are are on governor romney's side. he focused on the one word, did you say terror. >> right. >> and instead of focusing on the larger con techt, he focused on the one day and then kept asking the president again repeatedly asking. and the president, if you
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notice, the president's response was please proceed, governor. >> the cnn poll did reflect even though people felt president obama overall won on economics, taxes, deficit, they felt governor romney won the debate. >> that's reflected in the exchanges. it was the libya exchange and the couple of exchanges in the debate where governor romney was pursuing a question that the president wouldn't give him the answer that he wanted may seemed to have frustrate him. >> what surprised you most in this? >> after libya, what we saw, i believe that what we notice is that we saw an increase in pacing with mitt romney. i think the president knocked it out of the park. >> brett for you, the key for governor romney is to focus on the economy moving forward? >> absolutely. >> tough, though -- >> there are ways for him to relate foreign policy and national defense, national security back to the economy. that's what the governor has to do. >> thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks. four years ago it was
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senator john mccain debating then senator barack obama. senator mccain joins me ahead for a big "360" interview. we'll talk about syria as well. p
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the fallout continues with the lance armstrong doping scandal. there's a big change at the live strong charity. that's ahead on "360."
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the town hall format can be a tricky one. four years ago, my next guest faced off with then candidate obama in nashville, tennessee. take a look. senator mccain suggests that somehow i'm green behind the ears and i'm just spouting off and he's somber and responsible. >> thank you very much. >> senator mccain, this is the guy who sang bomb, bomb iran, who called for the annihilation of north korea. i don't think that's an example of speaking softly. this is the person who after --
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we hadn't finished afghanistan when he said next up, baghdad. >> i'd like equal time to respond. >> yes. last word here and then we have to move on. >> not threw. not true. i have obviously supported those efforts that the united states had to go in militarily and i have opposed those that i didn't think so. i understand what it's like to send young americans in harm's way. >> that was from four years ago. senator mckeane was watching last night's debate closely. he joins me for the big "360" interview. senator mccain we heard that heated exchange from four years ago. you know what it's like to be on that stage in the midst of the rough and tumble. i heard from a lot of voters, some say they liked the sparring last night, others were turn off by it. you've been involved in sparring and not, do you think more people are turned off by it than are pleased by it? >> i think more people are turned off by it, anderson, because when people start talking over each other and
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really exchanging barbs, i don't think the viewers get a lot out of it. it is what it is. we saw the vice president basically being very disrespectful in my view to paul ryan. there was a lot of back and forth last night. but i just -- i think most people that i talked to that come up to me say they wish they would be more respectful. not a lot but a little more. >> on benghazi, last night there were certainly big questions to be asked and that still need to be answered. why wasn't there more security for the ambassador, why did the administration's narrative change so many times and still, what really happened there. the direct question didn't get directly answer. by focusing on rose garden statement and the use of the word terror, do you think governor romney missed an opportunity? >> i think so in a way he did because i think that when you look at the president's rose garden statement, that it really
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wasn't talking about that act. and the reason why i don't think he was, he later went on "the view," "letterman" and others and kept repeating what they had sent his u.n. ambassador out to say and say this was a hateful video that triggered this demonstration or we don't know what caused it. look, we knew, we knew within hours, anderson, that this was a coordinated attack with heavy weapons and we now know that one of the leaders of one of the al qaeda related groups was even there. it was obvious that this was not a -- there was no demonstration whatsoever. and when they keep saying, well, we'll wait until we have a full and complete investigation. some facts are obvious now. and i'd like to mention one other aspect of this if i could. back in april and june there were attacks on the u.s. embassy. one an i.e.d., very serious.
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the british ambassador was attack. the british closed their consulate. the red cross left. was the president briefed about the danger there? i don't expect him to know whether 16 people stayed or went. but shouldn't he have been briefed about the deteriorating situation? benghazi where it was obvious that al qaeda were coming in across the border? that's what the question should be. what did the president know, when did he know it and what did he do about it? obviously not much. >> i want to ask you about syria tonight. "the new york times" reporting sunday that most of the weapons flowing to syrian rebels from saudi arabia, qatar are going to islamic jihadists. why is it we've not been able to identify more moderate groups or have we been able to identify and just because the folks sending the weapons have sympathies, maybe, with jihadists, they're sending him to these groups that they are? >> it makes me so sad. >> you predicted this. you were talking about this
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before anyone else. >> yes. >> and it's so sad because there are legitimate elements that you and i had even met, both inside and just outside of syria. and there has been a flood of these jihadists into syria as this thing is dragged out for now 18 months and over 30,000. and it's a failure of american leadership. you know and, let me just say, it's well known that over the years, that the saudis have supported salafis and other extreme groups. where is the american leadership to say stop that and we'll do the job? we will make sure that those weapons get in. that's what american leadership is about. and i could go on and on. the tensions on the border as you know of all of those
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countries is dramatically increased. the slaughter goes on. the russians continue to step up their armed supplies. the iranians are overflying iraq with supplies of arms. and the tragedy goes on and it cries out for american leadership. and it's just not there. i don't know what the turks are going to do but i know that the turks are crying out for our leadership. >> governor ropleny has been critical of the obama administration for not acting sooner for calling assad a reformer early on. recently he call for arming the rebels but stopped short of saying the u.s. should provide them weapons. his staff said the governor would rely on allies to do that, unnamed allies. but is exactly basically what the obama administration is already doing, isn't it? >> i don't think they're doing it. they say they are but we know the facts are that they're not doing it. because the arms are going into the wrong people as we said at the beginning of our conversation.
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obviously i support strongly providing them with weapons. i hope that governor romney will agree with that position, but -- >> do you think the u.s. should provide them weapons? >> i think -- you know, i've always said that. and i think that mitt romney is right, that we should play a much greater and stronger role in making sure that those weapons go to the right people, which is obviously not the case now because of a lack of american leadership. >> senator mccain, appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, an update on the 14-year-old garr mark for death and shot by the pakistani taliban.
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i'm isha sesay with the 360 news and bulletin. four more deaths have been linked to the meningitis outbreak. the cdc says 19 people have now died and the number of cases is up to 245. and angelina jolie's charity is donating $50,000 to a group setting up a fund to educate girls in pakistan and afghanistan in honor of the teen eighth activist who was shot in pakistan last week. the 14-year-old girl is still fighting for her life in a hospital. she spoke out for education for girls and the taliban has vowed to kill her. major fallout for lance
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armstrong. nike has dropped him because of what the company calls seemingly insurmountable that he doped. also today, armstrong stepped down as chairman of his cancer charity livestrong, although he will remain on the board. he has repeatedly denied doping. ashton kutcher's move to "two and a half men" has paid off. he's on "forbes'" list of highest paid actors. a man in north dakota sold a 20-year-old jug of barbecue sauce for nearly $10,000 on ebay. it's mcjordan barbecue sauce from a michael jordan promotion at mcdonald's in the early 1909s. anderson? >> thanks. she hadn't heard of one of the candidates and you may not understand what she's actually saying. the "ridiculist" is next. [ male announcer ] one in four americans can't sleep.
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time now for the "ridiculist." tonight we're adding celebrity endorsements for president. they've been rendered completely obsolete because the only celebrity who really matters any more just weighed in on the election. no one else needs to say anything else from this point forward. i'm speaking of course about honey boo-boo. >> you know who mitt romney is. >> no. >> do you know who barack obama is? >> the president. >> he's the president. yes. they asked on the kelly and
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michael show they asked mitt romney if he preferred snooki or honey boo boo. do you know what he said? he said he preferred snooki. now i have to ask you, who are you going to support for president, mitt romney or barack obama? >> who said that? >> mitt romney said that. >> barack obama. >> you're supporting barack obama. >> honey boo boo has spoken on "jimmy kimmel live." and without translation. she's too young to vote, of course, and she may have said marack obama. that tiny tornado is a force to be reckoned with politically. her reality show got higher ratings than the republican national convention and tied in the ratings with the democratic national convention the night that former president clinton spoke. when you look at it that way, mitt romney may now be regretting his answer to that fateful question. >> this is the most serious question of all. honey boo boo or snooki?
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>> do you know who either of these two people are. >> i'm kind of a snooki fan. look how tiny she's gotten. she's lost weight and energetic. just her spark plug personality. >> let's be honest, snooki does have a spark plug personality. she's energetic but come on, so does honey boo boo. i speak from experience. she and her mom were on my daytime show "anderson live." i think i did a pretty good job at keeping the train on the tracks. >> she's a mess. >> she's a mess. >> she's a good mess. she's a good mess. >> how do you deal with the controversy? because it's interesting. you go to your facebook page and there's people who love you guys and there's people who are very critical of the show. how do you deal with that, june? >> in life there will be

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